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ASHMC Minutes 02/20/11

Minutes for ASHMC Meeting
Sunday, 4:00PM, February 20, 2011
Riggs Room, Linde Activities Center

Status Updates

VP- MG and Kiley went through the constitution and bylaw and located the places where quorum as mentioned and put in potential changes that would eliminate quorum.  We also looked through the old ASHMC office
South- is GREAT
Juniors - good
Case – is wonderful
Sontag - good
West - good
Adwood - good
Social - good
North - good
East - good
Frosh - are good, and we’re in p. 101-102 in the handbook J
Linde- good, except battling with no hot water on and off all weekend.  Probably angered F&M
Atheletics - good
Dac - Good, working on room draw stuff.
Treasurer - good
Seniors - good
Hufsa - good
(CAP is stuck in traffic and will hopefully be here soon)
Sophomores- good

Walk A Mile presenting a revised budget – Tim Williamson

Jason- we’re back, and we’re asking for $1500
    This is the first year, so it’s going to be more expensive
    The most cost is from the shoes
    We don’t want shoes to be a deterrent
    We will collect IDs and require that shoes be returned
    We will be collecting meal swipes for lunches
    We will be charging for $4 for shirts
    If you want a handout, we can come back next week, when Tim’s here
Ryan – so you have received funds from other colleges?
Jason – I know we’ve received funds from Pitzer, and I think CMC
    We have asked or will ask all colleges
Hufsa- Do you have any idea how much damage the shoes will get?
Jason- I will talk to Brianna about that
Margaret- in what manner have you decreased the budget for shoes and shirts?
Jason – we went to a different company that gave us a better deal
    We are also using swipes to decrease meal costs

Discussion

Kiley- I don’t think we can make a decision until someone comes in who can actually answer our questions
Audrey – I think they’re asking for a lot of money for an event Mudders won’t participate in
Ryan – to be fair, they altered their budget according to our suggestions and lowered their request
    They did what we asked them to do
Richard – since they’re collecting shoes, I think the cost will go down a lot next year
Margaret- I think it’s interesting that other schools have given them money
Lindsay – Can we just pledge a certain amount per Mudd participant?
Margaet- I think, if we do that, we should also have a base sum to give them
Ryan – We should support things that Mudders participate in
    But we should also support things that the school should support
Noah – so a lump sum and then an amount per Mudd participant
Ryan – I think they’re plan of action is to have the event supported by colleges this year
    Once the support is in place, they’ll go into the community
Kiley – I wonder if the shoe company knows what event this is for
    I feel like they could get donations if they let the companies know
Ryan – I would like to put down a lump that we’re willing to give them and also give suggestions
Stephen – Since this is a one-time event, doesn’t it fall under social?
Lindsay – I think it’s a fine line between social-funded and ashmc-funded events
    If they come to social to ask for money, we’d consider it
Hayden – It’s walking, so can’t we ask athletics?
Hufsa- I think this is something ashmc can and should fund
Margaret- maybe, instead of having him come back in, we can email him specific questions
Ryan – how many students does Pitzer have?
Josh – About the same as us
Jackma – Can DOS help out?
Alexa- it would look good to have ashmc show support
Ayyappa- what kind of lump sum should we give them?
Hufsa- at least $500
Ryan – If they need $10,000, $1500 is approximately 1/7th
Lindsay – What if we gave them $700 from ASHMC and $300 from social
Kiley – that seems reasonable

Discussion of Quorum Requirement

Hufsa- so last time, we did it wrong and broke the constitution
    I’m not allowed to let that happen
    Now we discuss whether we want to reconsider the motion
Margaet- how did it break the constitution?
Hufsa- It wasn’t specific enough
    We also skipped the convocation step
Marget- if anyone has anything else to consider, it would be best to do it at the same time
Hufsa- we’re going to cut in with grassroots soccer


Lose the Shoes barefoot soccer tournament by Scripps clubs and CMS Women’s Soccer – Madden Rowell

Madden – We’re putting on a 3v3 barefoot soccer tournament to raise money for grassroots soccer
    Grassroots soccer uses celebrity soccer players to educate about HIV
    In the past, we’ve raised $3,000+ per year
    I’m here to ask that HMC sponsor the first 30 HMC students
    The students would pay $10 to the tournament and get reimbursed by ashmc
    This has been a successful strategy in the past
    We’re asking for $300, at most
Hufsa- athletics have said they’d cover this
(Madden Leaves)
    Does someone want to motion to defer this to athletics?
Ryan – motion to allow athletics to take care of this
Seconded
(18,0,0)
Motion passes

Discussion of Quorum

Ryan – I motion to reconsider the motion of last time
Seconded
(16,0,2)
Motion passes
Hufsa- so Margaret and Kiley are going to propose changes
Kiley – We found every instance of ‘quorum’ in the constitution, and did not remove all of them
Margaret – There were seven points in the constitution and by-laws that referrer to quorum
    We decided to not re-write quorum out of recalling positions and amending the constitution
    The reasons for getting rid of quorum are the same as last week, and there are disagreements
    The issue is the same, but now we have the specific changes
    We would not be able to have it in this current election
    Does anyone have any questions about the changes?
Jackma – A shorter election period would get students to vote more quickly
Kiley – so only allow elections to go for 3 days?
Jackma- A shorter election would not allow students to put the election in the back of their mind
Alexa- that’s a response I’ve gotten from South
Marget- we do have to consider that Mudd students are often caught up in work for days at a time
Alexa- I also got the response that we’re just being lazy
    Some also worried that participation might drop too low
Kiley – there are mixed opinions, so not putting it on the table to vote for doesn’t give the students a chance
Ryan – I worry that too many things that go on the ballot pass because no one cares
    And I don’t want this to be something that passes just because it’s out there
Hufsa- we have mentioned that quorum could be brought back, and we should consider that
Margaet- I don’t think that the quorum requirement really affects the participation    
    If we continue tabling in a similar manner, it won’t make a big difference
    In the last election, most of the votes came in before the ‘crunch time’
Eric- instead of just removing quorum, can we simply reduce the requirement?
Ryan – would the last election have gone through if quorum was only 30%?
Margaret- yes
Ryan- would we just reduce it again and again until it wasn’t a problem?
Marget- If we reduced it to 30%, it should come with a ‘or 5 days, whichever is longer’
Hufsa- In all my time here, there’s never been a problem except with the last election
    I don’t think there will be another problem
Margaret- I disagree, I see it as being a problem continuously
Hufsa – I feel like that, if we remove quorum, it encourages apathy
    I think that will hurt ashmc
Lindsay – I think this diverged from whether we want to ask the students about removing quorum…
Ayyappa- We would have to have quorum to put this to vote, so it seems silly to remove quorum when we want all the students to participate
Jackma – I think we need to have more data available to make an informed decision
Margaret- I can definitely keep track during this election
Hufsa- I can check back over emails to see how long past elections have taken to reach quorum
Scott- So we’re trying to address the problem of seniors not voting in the last election?
Margaret- that’s one interpretation
Hufsa- let’s save that issue for later
Scott- I was just thinking about lowering the requirement to 3/8
Alexa- I think that this is something that I don’t know how to represent my constituents
    I got such divided feedback that I would like to send it to students
Hufsa- We’re going to take a break to talk about Claremont Hillel

Claremont Hillel- Felicia Palmer

Felicia – We are requesting minimal funding to attend a Jewish event
    We want to offset costs to students to allow them to attend
Josh – are you covering the whole costs or just cut it down?
Felicia – We’re just trying to offset
    Last year, we had 3 or 4 HMC students attend
Hufsa- and you’re requesting $150?
Felicia - yes

Cheese Club, requesting $210 – Adam Brown

Adam – We are requesting $210 +$210
    We want the first $210 to increase the number of meetings
    We are also requesting and extra $210 to get more cheese
Hufsa- what do you do at meetings besides eating cheese?
Adam – it’s mostly eating cheese, but we do talk about how to make cheese and about the cheese
Hufsa- any questions?
Josh-  how much did you get previously?
Adam - $450
(Adam leaves)
Kiley – so they’re asking for $420
Hufsa- let’s go back to the quorum thing…

Quorum Discussion Part 3

Marget- we can have an open discussion with students about removing quorum without putting it to vote
Ayyappa- are we discussing whether we should remove quorum or whether we should put it to vote?
Ryan – Right now, both
Josh – Sontag in general didn’t think it was worthwhile
Ryan – Case either didn’t care or was slightly against it
Lindsay – if we have a discussion, people who don’t want to remove quorum will attend
    People who want to remove quorum want the right to not care and won’t attend
Ayyappa – We should be arguing over why we do or don’t need quorum
Margaret- I think we’ve already discussed our opinions
Ryan – can we, rather than a motion, just give a show of hands
Marget- Who wants to keep quorum? 11
    Who wants to remove quorum? 9
    Who is undecided? 3
Ryan – Can anyone who wants to remove quorum give their reasoning?
    I would rather have people to vote ‘no vote’ than not vote
Hufsa- I think quorum prods people to not be lazy and vote
Chris- we’re not their moms, we shouldn’t force them to have an opinion
Ayyappa- we put things to student body vote to get the community opinion, and quorum gives us a larger base
    It shows that we care what the student body thinks
Chris- giving them the opportunity to vote is showing that we care
Ryan – Right now, how much advertising is required?
Margaret- I think signs in computer labs, the Muddtv, and tabling should be required
Ryan – but how much is required in the constitution?
Margaret – advertising in the hoch and tabling
Ayyappa- we’re still going to table, and going to prod people to vote
Stephen – Can I hear why people who want to keep quorum don’t want it to go to student vote?
Ryan – we were elected to make informed decisions so students don’t have to be bothered with all of the details
    A lot of times, when we put things up to election, it’s strictly a technical thing
    We usually only hand things to student vote if we want them to pass
    I worry that students will think we think this is a good idea and just vote yes
Stephen – I think we could just change the wording the question to fix that
Alexa- In a past election, to remove social from DAC, didn’t that fail?
    So students do think about these things
Ryan – if we didn’t have any strong opinions about this, we should send it to student vote
    But I think we should be able to work it out
Scott- The only reason we’re discussing this is because of the failed election last year
    Since that wasn’t a problem in the last election, I don’t think there’s really an issue at hand
Lindsay – Is anyone against the convocation and then reconvene?
Ryan - I wouldn’t be against that
Margaret- this week is our election for treasurer, and then we were planning to have a week off
    But we could start it sooner to avoid running into spring break
    When do you think is the best time to have the convocation?
Kiley – How about all dorm presidents have a 15 minute meeting?
Alexa- what if we get mixed opinions?
    I like talking about stuff, but I think we’ll just get a lot of a mixed opinions
Ayyappa- Since ashmc has a divided opinion, we should prepare the students for the vote
Margeret- I did not expect this to be a huge issue when I brought it up
Ryan – in practice, it wouldn’t make a big difference, but this is a philosophical issue
Margaret – Since the other colleges don’t use quorum, I didn’t think it would be a bad thing
Ryan – I’m hesitant to copy another student body’s example
Kiley- anyone can make a motion…
Hufsa- 17 out of 18 elections have not had a problem with the quorum thing
Margaret- since it’s so divided, maybe we should just table the issue indefinitely
Motion to table indefinitely
Seconded
(12,0,6)
Motion passes

Hufsa- let’s talk about cheese club
Josh – cheese club is a great club and a lot of people are involved
Eric- they consumed 5 lbs of cheese in 15 minutes, so it has to be a lot of people
Scott- so it’s something like $2/person
Ayyappa- motion to approve $420 to cheese-shmc
Seconded
Audrey – can we knock off a dollar?
Motion removed
Motion to give $419
seconded
(12,1,5)
Motion passes
Hufsa- we can vote on Hillel
Eric- can we tell them that we’ll subsidize the Mudders that go?
Margaret- in the past, we’ll subsidize the Mudders but they can distribute it
Ryan – But if 2 Mudders go, we’ll be paying as much or more than they’re asking
Hufsa- I feel like $150 isn’t that much
Ryan – can we say $50/person up to $150
Eric – motion to approve $150
Seconded
(15,0,2)
Motion passes
Ryan – motion to give walk a mile $700 from ASHMC with the hope that social will give $300
Seconded
(11,3,4)
Motion passes

Approved Minutes

Motion
Seconded
(16,0,1)
Motion passes